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Faer · May 06, 2009, 04:57 AM // 04:57

I'm with A11Eur0 (this is... startling, to me). Words are words are words are words; it's what you make of them that matters. Much like a news report that only contains members of one race isn't racist until somebody jumps in and says it is, in their opinion, racist (which in itself is pretty racist, because to play the racism card, you have to be acknowledging the difference in race rather than just looking at people as human beings), the words commonly used as obscenities are only obscene because society has chosen to make them so. The words aren't obscene, you are! People need to lighten up, and stop taking offense to such things. We should be more worried about the impending global economic meltdown than how many times Jane and John Doe say "assmonger" in a day.

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Originally Posted by Inde

(I'm not talking to you IRC PEOPLE... you know who you are... go away!)

You RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing go away, noob.

Rocky Raccoon · May 06, 2009, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

"I'ma go take a shit."
"Careful, don't step in that dog shit"
"don't sit there, you'll get paint all over your ass"
and my personal favorite:

"Hi, Wanna F***?"

None of these are inherently negative. The only negativity they bring is the arbitrary socially-dictated negative connotations of these words as "dirty".

I'd be more inclined to be offended by someone saying "You're a fag" than someone saying "let's get the F*** out of here." But which one is censored, and which isn't?

People who take such offense at words used, especially not to project negativity onto them but merely to punctuate emotion, are indeed fragile. Also, limiting vocabulary by outlawing and arbitrarily shunning specific words that you do not agree with merely for the sake of that society becoming more "civilized" is a step towards totalitarianism. Censorship has always been a tool of tyrants. Doing away with basic gutteral emotions through language manipulation is the forefront of any push towards mob control.

There is a difference between the spoken word and the written word. The written takes a concerted effort to type them out and if you can do that you know exactly what you are trying to do. The spoken word is sometimes based on emotions and as such expletives will sometimes just happen with out thinking.

Tullzinski · May 06, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHkyjskGlk4

We must have immediate implementation of the policy shown in the above link. This should be Guild Wars wide and also include this forum(and any other GW forum) for maximum effect!

Anyone who disagrees or does not click the link should F@%K OFF!

MithranArkanere · May 06, 2009, 03:23 PM // 15:23

The filter is not there to allow abusive language, it is there to filter out as much abusive language as possible to reduce the harm, but the best way to solve a problem is eliminating the source.

Don't use abusive language, and done!

There are lots of mild expressions you can use instead, just watch some chapters of 60s Batman and listen to Robin.

Lonesamurai · May 06, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

The filter is not there to allow abusive language, it is there to filter out as much abusive language as possible to reduce the harm, but the best way to solve a problem is eliminating the source.

Don't use abusive language, and done!

There are lots of mild expressions you can use instead, just watch some chapters of 60s Batman and listen to Robin.

Holy bill of rights, Batman! - Robin

Holy haberdashery, Batman! - Robin

Holy atomic pile, Batman! - Robin

Holy priceless collection of Etruscan snoods! - Robin

Holey rusted metal, Batman! The ground. It's all metal. It's full of holes. You know, holey. - Robin

The way we get into these scrapes and get out of them, it's almost as though someone was dreaming up these situations; guiding our destiny. - Robin

And the ALL TIME best:

The opposite of a girl is a boy! - Robin

Ebony Shadowheart · May 06, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

If you don't like the language, there is a filter available to 'protect' you from most of it. If you don't want to use it, then deal with how people 'talk'.

Just as some people don't realize it when they say the words out loud, the same happens when they type. It's automatic, they don't actively think about it.

As for the argument that there are children playing this game.....have you heard how those same children talk in the game? At school? With their friends? FFS have you seen some of the shit on TV that they watch? Just wow....that is not an argument at all because many of those 'children' are worse than most of the damn adults!

As for the argument that there are other words you can use instead.....I'm sorry but I was always taught that using 'darn' instead of 'damn' is just as bad. Saying 'oh Fire Truck is the same thing as saying 'oh f*ck'.....so is it really any better? No, not really. It just bypasses the filter, which is a breach of conduct.

Just my 2 cents worth

Rocky Raccoon · May 06, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

Just as some people don't realize it when they say the words out loud, the same happens when they type. It's automatic, they don't actively think about it

I have to disagree with this point. Verbally yes that may be true, but when you type something you have time to think about what you are typing and there is no way that you will type anything you don't really want to type. Any expletive that you see was meant to be seen plain and simple.

Ebony Shadowheart · May 06, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I have to disagree with this point. Verbally yes that may be true, but when you type something you have time to think about what you are typing and there is no way that you will type anything you don't really want to type. Any expletive that you see was meant to be seen plain and simple.

See, here I disagree. I don't always actively think about what I type. I simply type what is going through my head, explicatives included. I type 'what I think' which is the same as I say 'what I think'. It's a natural reaction.

As for seeing what you type...some people stare at their keyboards when they type so don't see the words on the screen until the hit enter. Some people don't proof read their posts, again, until after they hit enter. Then you have people like me that aren't even looking at the screen or at the keyboard because they are looking at another monitor doing something, or scanning the text of other people, etc.

There have been times where I have been typing, and holding a conversation at the same time and ended up typing what I was talking about and didn't realize it until after I hit enter. At which point I was like 'well that was dumb'.

It's like people that are really tired in the middle of the night, but are doing schoolwork and end up with things like 'sleep' or 'i need to go to bed' in the middle of their paper and they don't its there until the teacher points it out. (This happened to a friend of mine in High School and I laughed so hard at the comments the teacher put in the margins)

Sometimes it does just happen. Other times its intentional (probably more often than not).

glacialphoenix · May 07, 2009, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Verbally yes that may be true, but when you type something you have time to think about what you are typing and there is no way that you will type anything you don't really want to type.

Er, no. I'm seconding Ebony Shadowheart here. I use chat, like, well, chat. I don't read through my posts again, I just type and hit enter, and I don't always think about it. I doublecheck to make sure I'm typing in the correct chat - I mean, if I want to complain to my guildie about that idiot suicidal PUG I don't want to do it in teamchat - but slipups happen. Don't tell me you've never typed things in the wrong chat channel before?

I would agree with you if the bypassing was deliberate. If you alter the word so it gets past the filter, then yes the expletive was definitely meant to be seen.

Kumu Honua · May 07, 2009, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

If you don't like the language, there is a filter available to 'protect' you from most of it. If you don't want to use it, then deal with how people 'talk'.

If you don't like getting reported and banned, there is a cure. Stop using foul language. If you don't want to use the cure, then deal with the report/ban.

rick1027 · May 07, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

i really dont care if you swear or not because their is a filter there but getting around a chat filter by typing it different they should be banned and make it perma ban for being stupid

Tullzinski · May 07, 2009, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Still want a swear jar, you have to put 1K in for each infraction. Then you can have a contest each month to see who get it.

Rocky Raccoon · May 07, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

Er, no. I'm seconding Ebony Shadowheart here. I use chat, like, well, chat. I don't read through my posts again, I just type and hit enter, and I don't always think about it. I double check to make sure I'm typing in the correct chat - I mean, if I want to complain to my guildie about that idiot suicidal PUG I don't want to do it in teamchat - but slipups happen. Don't tell me you've never typed things in the wrong chat channel before?

I would agree with you if the bypassing was deliberate. If you alter the word so it gets past the filter, then yes the expletive was definitely meant to be seen.

I like to think that I have control over anything I type that will be seen by others. If expletives come naturally then I assume that either they are intended or that person has no self control.

Inde · May 07, 2009, 01:30 PM // 13:30

I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

Kattar · May 07, 2009, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Theocrat

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Assmonger.

Can we shift the focus on the conversation to politics? Or maybe religion! That one would be much better.

(For all you who missed the sarcasm: there's nothing to be gained from a discussion such as this. People aren't going to change until they grow up. Some people never grow up. One day, instead of ANet disciplining them, it'll be the police. Then it'll be a huge, sweaty inmate named "Sugar Daddy.")

Move on.

glacialphoenix · May 07, 2009, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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I like to think that my I have control over anything I type that will be seen by others. If expletives come naturally then I assume that either they are intended or that person has no self control.

I mean, 'k.

Say I'm complaining about a bad match at a sympathetic guildie. Fine, the swearwords are intentional - 'damn ridiculous match', etcetc. Mischan. Oops.

All I'm saying is, well, slipups happen. Misinterpretations happen. Typos happen. If you're worried about language in chat, the chat filter should be on, else you are going to encounter language you don't like. If it's off and you're objecting... turn it on, that's what it's there for. You can't leave it off and expect everyone around you to stop swearing - that's not how things work. If it did work that way, you wouldn't need to filter chat in the first place.

That being said - if anyone's worried about being tempbanned for swearing, don't swear. Don't insult people, don't swear, don't spam. That should settle your worries just fine.

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Originally Posted by Inde

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

Bad choice of phrasing, perhaps, but what I mean is that, like I said, slipups happen.

Arduin · May 07, 2009, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Inde

I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

I'd team up with people that can't control what they drop on the ground.

Like:

Teammate: ''nice, I got a Superior Vigor''. *drops it on the ground because of uncontrollable reactions*
Me: ''Thank you very much'' *picks up Superior Vigor'*

That would be a nice time for the uncontrollable swearing to kick in.

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Oh, and can we collect +1's by calling people names all a sudden?

Ebony Shadowheart · May 07, 2009, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

If you don't like getting reported and banned, there is a cure. Stop using foul language. If you don't want to use the cure, then deal with the report/ban.

I believe the only time report and ban is actually called for/reviewed is when they person is directly insulting you or spamming in the local/team chat.

I mean, if you're out with someone and they die and their reaction is 'oh damn' and you report them for that, most likely the people that review that are laughing at you for it.

On the other hand, if you slip and do something stupid, and say a teammate starts going off on you and you report it, then yeah, that's a ban-able offense.

If people are bitching about something local chat (like lag for example), there is going to be some cussing. If you can't take it - turn it off, leave, turn on the filter (that's what is it there for after all). Reporting shit like that is just petty, and stupid, and in my 3 years of playing, I've never seen/known anyone that's been banned for it.

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I like to think that I have control over anything I type that will be seen by others. If expletives come naturally then I assume that either they are intended or that person has no self control.

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Originally Posted by Inde

I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

I wouldn't say that it's a 'lack of control' per se, for some people it's simply natural. We are products of our environments. However, each to their own opinion I suppose; I simply do not agree.

Fril Estelin · May 07, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Inde

If you can't "control" what you type, I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

A few years ago, I attended a meeting organised by a Health&Safety officer, specifically for our lab of computer science. She said that typing has become, since the age of computers, the physical activity that is the most stressing on one part of our body (joints, veins). It used to be different at the age of typewritters (my mother used to type 5 to 6h a day as a job). In an age of typecheckers, instant communication, global contact, we'd never, ever been so disconnected from the meaning of what we say and, ultimately, people (I could bore you with recent phusiological evidence that facebook is a impediment to the social abilities of kids).

Typing properly is seen as elitist or intellectual. Soon, with widespread speech recognition, people may feel that there should be no difference between typing and talking. When conflicts, such as the topic of this thread, occur, the vocal people are usually the "aggressive" ones (aggressive is not meant here as an intentional act). As I said above, the greatest minds were fragile people, so pointing at the fact that people should "get off the internet" is a bit funny.

glacialphoenix · May 07, 2009, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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When conflicts, such as the topic of this thread, occur, the vocal people are usually the "aggressive" ones (aggressive is not meant here as an intentional act)

Isn't that the norm? Some people are more opinionated than others.

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Typing properly is seen as elitist or intellectual. Soon, with widespread speech recognition, people may feel that there should be no difference between typing and talking.

Hm. Do you think there's a difference between typing a post in this forum and typing in teamchat in game? For me, when I type in game, it feels like I'm on MSN or googletalk. Y'know, chat. (I mostly type like this ingame as well, but the feel is different.)

Typing a post on this forum, however, is more like typing something on a word processor.

EDIT: Also, the mods appear to be having fun with an enthusiastic barrage of +1 posts... oO